Ep. 158: Board Meetings | Top 5 Reasons You Abandon the Training Plan

We’ve all done it. Often for the wrong reasons. And honestly, it might just be why you’re stuck where you are.

In this episode Nate and I sit down to discuss the top reasons we’ve seen people abandon the plan.

FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:

Kris Hampton  00:00

Hey everybody, Kris here. Just a heads up this episode was recorded in 2018, so any references to current day are definitely outdated. But you know how we do over here. I've got a backlog of these things and well, I've been trying to slow it down, but it's an addiction. Let's get into it. 

Kris Hampton  00:51

What's up everybody? I'm your host Kris Hampton.

Nate Drolet  00:55

This is Nate Drolet.

Kris Hampton  00:56

And together we form Magic and Byrd. 

Nate Drolet  01:01

All right

Kris Hampton  01:02

You know that one?

Nate Drolet  01:03

I see what you did there.

Kris Hampton  01:04

Do you know that one?

Nate Drolet  01:05

Yeah I do. It's a basketball reference.

Kris Hampton  01:06

Okay. It's basketball reference, and also a hip hop reference. There is an album called Magic and Byrd that's amazing, if you haven't listened to it. I'll just let you guys find it. Black guy and a white guy. Go figure. Anyway, we are currently still here in Lander Wyoming where actually it's been...it's been really fun, like the last couple of weeks having somebody to train regularly with. That's been really fun. I don't think we've ever really trained together before.

Nate Drolet  01:44

No, we've pretty much just, it's whenever we climb together.

Kris Hampton  01:47

 Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  01:48

Whenever we go out to the gyms, so this has been fun.

Kris Hampton  01:51

Yeah, it's been super cool. And Nate just sent me a simulator for my fall project, or my fall attempted project. I guess. I'm not saying it's gonna happen this fall, but I'm going all in on it. 

Nate Drolet  02:09

Hell, yeah

Kris Hampton  02:09

It'll happen eventually. Which is Zookeeper and we, we stole some beta from videos and from Nate's own experience and put together some cool training that we'll be talking about, or I'll be talking about on the Instagrams and on the on the patron account. So if you guys aren't patrons, maybe you should be. It's only going to make you stronger. I mean, when you sign up, you gain a letter grade

Nate Drolet  02:34

Facts. 

Kris Hampton  02:35

Yeah, totally 

Nate Drolet  02:36

Undeniable.

Kris Hampton  02:38

And, you know, that that sort of leads us right into what we're talking about today. Because abandoning training is a real thing. Like people spend so much time coming up with training plans and thinking about training and making goals and 

Nate Drolet  02:56

Reading about training, talking about it. 

Kris Hampton  02:58

Yeah, listening to podcasts all the time, where two dudes just ramble on forever about training.

Nate Drolet  03:04

It's the fucking worst. 

Kris Hampton  03:05

And, and then like three weeks in there, they abandon it completely. Things come up. Shit happens. And and that's a real thing. So today, we're going to talk about the top five reasons why we see people abandon their training. What's our number five Nate?

Nate Drolet  03:25

Number five is

Kris Hampton  03:27

I debated this one at number five, actually, because it probably is the least common of these, but it's also the most infuriating for me.

Nate Drolet  03:38

Yes. So I think it's fairly common. The reason I wanted it as number five is because I feel like it's the maybe the least impactful of the top five.

Kris Hampton  03:48

 Yeah okay.

Nate Drolet  03:49

 It doesn't seem to normally fully derail people's training. 

Kris Hampton  03:51

Yep.

Nate Drolet  03:52

 But it definitely throws a huge wrench in things. And that's a new things, new shit.

Kris Hampton  03:59

Yeah, shiny new methods show up on the Instagram.

Nate Drolet  04:02

Exactly. What is Team Japan doing today? I don't know, but I want to do it. I hear they stretch for two hours before every session.

Kris Hampton  04:09

Hahaha. Yeah, me too. Yeah, yep.

Nate Drolet  04:13

So yeah, it's new training. So this could be things that are new methods you just heard about, it could be whatever someone at your gym who is now getting better has been doing. 

Nate Drolet  04:23

Yeah

Nate Drolet  04:24

I hear they've been eating Taco Bell and drinking Mountain Dew before every session. 

Kris Hampton  04:28

I got way better for years eating mostly Taco Bell and McDonald's. 

Nate Drolet  04:32

Yeah. That's correlation.

Kris Hampton  04:33

We should go back to that plan.

Nate Drolet  04:37

So yeah, and I think this is... like this is a big one. Like for a lot of people a big thing with training is that you need to be able to stick it out long enough that your body benefits from it.

Kris Hampton  04:48

 Yeah

Nate Drolet  04:48

 And so if we are constantly changing to some new hangboard method or even just using a different hangboard because it looks cool, and you're like "Oh, this has pockets. I want to use pockets now. " No one really wants to use pockets. That's that's It's an example, folks. And it's not even a good one.

Kris Hampton  05:02

No one climbs on pockets anymore. 

Nate Drolet  05:04

Yeah

Kris Hampton  05:04

We filled them all in here at the Iris too. So just don't come expecting pockets.

Nate Drolet  05:09

Yeah. No, it's great. They're slopers now. So yeah, are there any times

Kris Hampton  05:14

New like, like new #science that shows up, all of a sudden, people want to abandon everything they've learned about training, because there's some new study that says this thing worked for these 10 people, you know. And frankly, that thing probably worked 10 years ago, and they're just now publishing the paper. But it's brand new and shiny. And now I have to do it, because #science

Nate Drolet  05:40

Totally, you know, and what's funny in this is, there's a lot of people who say this, but really like with training, there's nothing new under the sun. Something Dan John talks about all the time, but it's, it's true. You know, you hear about something you're like, "Oh, there's this new thing", where it's like, you know, we're seeing this and I know you don't like to believe it, because we were talking about this the other day, but I think we're on the verge of seeing endurance training takeover to the point to where it is detrimental again.

Kris Hampton  06:09

I have to believe this isn't happening, but but you might be right. And actually, I think it comes down to new terms, in this case. 

Nate Drolet  06:19

Totally

Kris Hampton  06:20

Like, so many things that people have been doing for a long time are just getting new names. People are putting new, bigger words, fancier words to them, calling them new, and all of a sudden, everybody needs to do it, when they've been doing it all along. That irks me quite a bit, actually, when I see that happen. And it's been happening for a couple of years now. It's it's becoming a little more common than I would like to admit.

Nate Drolet  06:52

Yeah. Yeah, no, I think we're definitely hitting a point in climbing to where, like, we're starting to see more research, or we're starting to see more people applying research from other sports to our own. And I mean, and I get it, because it's like, it's nice to feel like you have like solid, concrete answers. But you know, you don't want to throw everything out just because one new paper or even just like a handful of new things come out,

Kris Hampton  07:21

Right. And just because there is a new shiny method, even if it works, even if it's the greatest method yet, doesn't mean the old methods don't work still. You know, and if they're working for you, great. You know, if that, 

Nate Drolet  07:35

Keep doing it

Kris Hampton  07:37

Keep doing it. 

Nate Drolet  07:37

If it's working, don't stop doing it.

Kris Hampton  07:39

If it fucking works, don't stop doing it. That's pretty much...that should be the number one rule of training. In fact, that's it. We're done. See you guys. That's all the Board Meetings from now on. If it's working, don't stop doing it. If it's not working, change it.

Nate Drolet  07:55

Yeah. No there's this a classic phrase, which I think like, if... it's funny, when I talk with people who haven't trained much, they don't get it. They're like, "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard." But if you've trained a lot, it's something you fully understand it. This idea that "It was working so well, I stopped doing it."

Kris Hampton  08:13

Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  08:14

It's just like, "Oh, well, well, it keeps working. So maybe if I just keep adding more things to it, or I do something new". 

Kris Hampton  08:21

"Yeah, I'll add something cooler, a new cool thing."

Nate Drolet  08:23

"Yeah, maybe I'll just do this with a weight vest on now and then it'll work better." 

Kris Hampton  08:27

Right

Nate Drolet  08:28

So it's just this idea of new or more.

Kris Hampton  08:31

Yeah, that's super common. You just reminded me of a conversation I had with someone once about bouldering with a weight vest. And he couldn't understand why if I thought bouldering was good for climbing, why I thought him bouldering with the weight vest would not be good for his climbing. He's like, "But there's more resistance." I'm like, "But you your footwork sucks already. Let's make it better instead of weighing it down."

Nate Drolet  08:56

 Yeah totally. And also this is kind of a thing with weight vests as far as...zo when we talk about like motor learning, and like how you move, you know, I've heard people say, "Oh, it's fine if you use a weight vest, because it's only for, you know, maybe an hour or 20 minutes, or whatever. So it's not a long amount of time compared to everything else." But the thing is, when you add load to any movement, you're now building extra strength through that movement. So you're doing extra work to reinforce those patterns

Kris Hampton  09:29

Right.

Nate Drolet  09:29

 So it is not, it's not a 1:1, the same. You know, bouldering with a weight vest is not the same 10 minutes as climbing 10 minutes regularly. Like you are now building strength through those new patterns. 

Kris Hampton  09:41

Totally

Nate Drolet  09:42

It's a thing you have to like be aware of.

Kris Hampton  09:44

Yep, this is a little bit on a tangent, but sort of along the same lines as you were just heading off on this tangent 

Nate Drolet  09:47

Perfect. 

Kris Hampton  09:49

When I was training for Transworld, like in between the two seasons, I did a lot of hangboarding. I did a ton of work on our mirrored system wall, on a simulator move on a tiny little crimp surfing way out left. And when I got back to the route, I couldn't do the move anymore. And it took me almost a month to realize that I was owning the crimp so much that I was pulling my foot up off the hold and I wasn't settling on my foot anymore. I was getting to the hold every time

Nate Drolet  10:31

Just  blasting past it

Kris Hampton  10:32

But my foot would would pick off every single time. Yeah, whereas the season before, I wasn't quite as strong on the crimp and I had to settle on my foot and drive more. And now I was just yarding on the crimp, you know. And I feel like climbing with a weight vest on has a similar similar result to it. 

Nate Drolet  10:51

Yeah, you ended up transferring weight 

Kris Hampton  10:53

You end up pulling with your arms totally differently. Yeah.

Nate Drolet  10:55

It's funny. I was actually just telling you the other day, I had that same experience on a Zookeeper actually. 

Kris Hampton  11:00

Right. 

Nate Drolet  11:00

Because we were talking about the simulator. And I had tried it in spring, got really close to doing it. And then trained a little bit over the summer, and climbed and when I came back, every single move on the whole route was 10 times easier. Except for this one move that I couldn't understand. Like, it went from being like, "Okay, it's kind of hard" to just impossible. It was because I used to have to lunge to do the move before it and I could only barely grab a hold. It turns out barely grabbing it was the best way to grab it. Versus if I could just suddenly lock off and like, own it and grab the hold however I wanted, it completely changed my body position. 

Kris Hampton  11:38

Yeah.

Nate Drolet  11:38

It took me like five days to figure out that I was overpowering the move.

Kris Hampton  11:44

Yeah, but that's a real thing. Yeah. So back on course here. What do you think is the best way to avoid the new shiny method trap? Stop following Sean McCall on Instagram?

Nate Drolet  11:57

Train in your mom's basement. 

Kris Hampton  12:00

Haha.That's good way. 

Nate Drolet  12:01

I've said this once before. I'll say it again. 

Kris Hampton  12:03

Lock yourself in there.

Nate Drolet  12:04

 Get rid of your friends. They're holding you back.

Kris Hampton  12:06

Yeah. No friends.

Nate Drolet  12:09

You know, you I think it's good to pay attention to the shiny new things. And you can kind of watch their course because something stick around. Like there are fads that maybe little nuggets of them, like stick around. And we've kept them because they work. But if you are already doing something, and especially if it is working, and you're not getting hurt, just keep doing it. Like write down those things. Or even better, don't. And in four weeks, you can't even remember what it was, perfect. That's one less thing to worry about.

Kris Hampton  12:40

Hahaha. I like this. Yeah, I agree. I agree. We shouldn't have friends. 

Nate Drolet  12:49

Yeah

Kris Hampton  12:49

Just get rid of them. Number four. And we debated how to say this one a couple of times and there's several levels to it. But it's passing judgment too soon, based on your expectations of how the training is going to feel. I can't tell you how many times I've had people message me like day three of their training plan, "I don't think it's working." I'm like, "Oh, good. I don't know if it's working either."

Nate Drolet  13:31

 Yeah

Kris Hampton  13:31

You can't possibly know if it's working. I've also had people do one session and be like, "I feel so much stronger!"

Nate Drolet  13:39

Perfect. This is what we were going for. 

Kris Hampton  13:41

Exactly.

Nate Drolet  13:41

That's right. 

Kris Hampton  13:42

Good job us. Yeah, I think I think that's a common mistake of, of people who haven't been training for very long.

Nate Drolet  13:54

Yeah. Shit takes time. And not only that, like if you're training correctly, training makes you tired. You have to recover from that. Sometimes that takes time. Like, right,

Kris Hampton  14:03

Especially in the very beginning. 

Nate Drolet  14:05

Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you are doing a new type of training, like, it's often you're just gonna, you might feel like garbage for a while.

Kris Hampton  14:13

Yeah. Yeah. I had a client recently, Kim, who we had been building strength and improving her powerful movements and then we started to really add some power in, some campus training. And she did it one day and loved it. She was like, "I suck at this. This is amazing. This is going to be great for me." And then a day later, I think a day later, she might have had one rest day. She was she went right back at the same session and was like, "I feel like garbage. This session sucks."

Nate Drolet  14:47

Haha Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  14:49

I'm like, "Yeah, you might, you might need to rest a couple of extra days.This is a new thing and you admitted that you really sucked at it and it was really hard for you. So it's okay to rest a little bit extra."

Nate Drolet  15:01

Yeah, no, totally. And I mean, you know, especially if you're training for a long period of time, I think expectations is dangerous. Like, I mean, especially if you're training indoors, and you're not getting to climb outside much, it's hard to keep track of where you're at. And you see people just start to get kind of worried. And they're just like, "Oh I don't know, maybe I need to, like ramp things up" or things like that. Like, I don't know, expectations are a funny thing. Like, if, like, a way I like to describe it is if your expectations, were put on an infomercial for four payments of $19.99, like, would you still believe them? If someone was like, "You're gonna jump three grades in six months for only four payments of $19.99",  it's like, you'd be like, "Wow, you're you're full of shit."

Kris Hampton  15:52

I wish.  I got 80 bucks. I'm in.

Nate Drolet  15:54

Yeah, man. But like, a lot of people will have those expectations.

Kris Hampton  15:58

 Right. 

Nate Drolet  15:59

You know, like, we see it all the time. Like, someone will be like, "Hey, you know, I climb 12B right now. And in three months, I want to climb 13A." It's like, well, okay, like, you know, we're gonna....like, we got a few steps in between. '

Kris Hampton  16:10

Yep

Nate Drolet  16:11

A few letters, if you will. 

Kris Hampton  16:13

Lets add a few months to your goal. 

Nate Drolet  16:15

Yeah. But it's tough. If people have these huge expectations, they will, you know, they're not going to be as consistent with their plans. Because it's hard to take the long term approach, if you have these big bold expectations.

Kris Hampton  16:30

I've also seen it go sort of the other way where the expectation was, "This isn't going to work." So then two weeks in, they're like, "This isn't working, so I'm done." I've been working with Yasmeen for a long time. And I've talked about her on here before. Hi Yasmeen. And there was a time when trying to get her to boulder was like pulling teeth.... Rachel....but we won't mention her.

Nate Drolet  17:07

We don't name people here.

Kris Hampton  17:10

Hahaha. And several seasons, I would write it into a training plan, I would convince her to do it and then like two sessions into bouldering, she would be like, "All my endurance is gone. I have to get back on routes!" 

Nate Drolet  17:24

Yep.

Kris Hampton  17:25

And I"m like, "No it's not. You're freaking out for no reason." So yeah,

Nate Drolet  17:31

I mean, and let's just it. If you don't believe something's going to work, it's probably not going to work. 

Kris Hampton  17:35

It's not gonna work

Nate Drolet  17:36

Like the power of belief is incredible. And it works both ways. You know, I work with a guy who he needed more body tension, like he, he's a tall guy, and he can like, he's a good climber, but he just needs to be able to use all of his length. And so that's what we've been focusing on.

Kris Hampton  17:57

Funny enough, that's a common mistake with tall people. They can't use their height.

Nate Drolet  18:02

I know. It's crazy. It's just like, you're a giant, you need to be able to like.....I can tell you right now, if I had like close to a seven foot wingspan, I would be like, everyone be like, "That fucker over there. He's skipping all the holds." And I'm like, "That's right. I am." But I'm not. So I can't be that guy. But I want to train other people to be that guy for me. So we've been working on like, being more powerful, a lot of body tension and stuff like that. And he definitely, you know, was not voicing it directly, but he was he's a bit skeptical. He's a sport climber as well. And he actually just went out this last weekend for the first time in a while and high pointed on one of his sport projects, having done almost no endurance work, like very, very minimal, just like base maintenance. 

Kris Hampton  18:50

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  18:50

And like, you know, and he's a self admitted like, endurance guy. And it's funny, he got back, he was just like, "You know, I don't want to say I didn't trust you, but..." He's like, "You've got all the trust in the world now because like, yeah, I just had a great, you know, weekend of sport climbing, having not done any endurance work." But yeah, it's just like, you know, thankfully, he had enough faith to trust me initially. But if he didn't, it's like, you know, chances like, it could have very easily gone the other way. He could have gone out had like, you know, maybe a few bad pitches while he was out climbing and be like, "I didn't do my endurance work. Like, it's shit. I can't like, um, you know, I can't do any sort of routes", and he could have tanked his whole weekend because of that.

Kris Hampton  19:36

Yeah, and I talked about this in the episode with Scott and Tyler on finding good climbing partners. There was a moment last year when Scott was completely freaked out. Like someone in the gym, who, in the past had climbed considerably harder than Scott, made a comment to him. Like, "Why are you limit bouldering? The seasons almost here. You should be doing four by fours or something", you know, and then Scott called me freaking out. He had gone outside one day, and his fitness didn't feel right. And he was an endurance climber prior, so he was freaking out. And then two weeks later, and he sent his hardest route. So you can definitely just bail out really quickly if you have the wrong expectations.

Nate Drolet  20:30

Yeah, you know, and training goes through waves. Like, if you're going to take some time, and you're like, "Hey, I've got a while. I'm gonna, like build up some base strength first, and really focus on that because it's a weakness." It's like, yeah, maybe your endurance is gonna tank for a little while, like, you know, it's not gonna go to complete shit. But it's like, it may suffer for a little while, while you build strength. And that's completely fine because that's not your focus in that moment.

Kris Hampton  20:54

Right. And right now your strength is really suffering, because all you've ever done is endurance.

Nate Drolet  20:59

Yes. It's like, you know, there are things that we can't just keep improving everything all the time equally. Like, that would be wonderful.

Kris Hampton  21:07

 I do

Nate Drolet  21:07

. But you know, this is like, it's a trade off game. Like, and this is something that actually took me...I think, when you first start climbing, you can keep improving everything because 

Kris Hampton  21:17

It seems like you are.

Nate Drolet  21:17

Yes, like, everything is so low that you're like, "I'm getting better technique and getting stronger hands and a stronger body and more endurance." And it's not until later on, like, it didn't hit me till fairly, like I don't know, I probably had been climbing like, close to 10 years before I realized it very much as a trade off. Like, I had hit a point to where it's like, "Okay, like, I've got decent finger strength. But if I want endurance, it's hard to, for me to keep my 100% in fit, like finger strength, and still try and build up to 100% endurance" 

Kris Hampton  21:49

Right

Nate Drolet  21:50

There's going to be have to be some sort of trade off. 

Kris Hampton  21:53

Yeah, its a give and take.

Nate Drolet  21:55

 Yeah, pretty much all the time. And so if you have the expectation that everything's gonna keep raising, like leveling up, and you're not a brand new climber, like, you know, you're gonna be freaking out, probably.

Kris Hampton  22:06

Yeah, and you know how I used to avoid this. Like, when I really first started training, and I started the blog, I just had zero expectations, because I was just a guinea pig. Like, I'm my own guinea pig, I'm gonna put a lot of thought into what my plan looks like and then I'm going to switch off any judgment, any expectation. I'm going to see it through and see what happens. It could totally fail. I have no idea. Somehow, I got lucky and never had any mega mega mega fails. You know, I definitely spent far too many seasons on endurance training. But that was really the biggest fail. And that's the only way I got through it, was just not having the expectations, not passing judgment at all. Just saying, "I'm going to check all the boxes, because those are the boxes that are here. And we'll see what happens at the end of the season."

Nate Drolet  22:58

Yeah. I think it's the best way to go, at least as far as like what I've come across,

Kris Hampton  23:05

As long as you're putting thought into it. 

Nate Drolet  23:07

Initially

Kris Hampton  23:07

Initially. Yeah. On the front end.

Nate Drolet  23:09

Yeah. Like I was telling you just the other day, like what I'm doing now for hand strength, like, it is very simple. Like, it's very simple, very straightforward. Like, I know how to progress things. I mean, there's no bells and whistles to it. But it's great, because I know what I'm doing every day. It's simple. I trust it. And like, I'm just gonna keep doing it till it stops working because that makes sense. 

Kris Hampton  23:34

Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  23:34

Like, it's really nice to not, at this point to be like, "Oh, I'm not going to worry about other hangboard methods that come out. I'm not going to worry about other ways I could be doing things because I keep getting stronger this way. So I'm just gonna keep doing it."

Kris Hampton  23:46

 Yep.

Nate Drolet  23:47

 And, you know, I think for most people, if you can have most of your boxes, if you can check them off that way of saying like, "Hey, this is what I do. Like, that's it, I have a system that I trust." You know, you build it at the beginning of the season or beginning of year and just follow through and, you know, keep notes and keep track of how it's going. That's a really good way to go, rather than trying to reassess constantly whether it's working or not.

Kris Hampton  24:16

Yep. And that brings us right into our number three reason that people abandon their training, which is the training is just too complicated to begin with. They've just tried to add every single little thing that they've seen, heard, read about, their friends talk to them about, they dreamed up.

Nate Drolet  24:38

It was on the Joe Rogan or Tim Ferriss podcast. 

Kris Hampton  24:40

Yeah, all of all of the podcasts. They want to combine everything and make this grand combination training plan that trumps everyone else's. And it just doesn't work that way. You know, more often than not simpler is better. And complicated training plans are one of the top reasons I see that people just can't continue. They just get bogged down. Something's not working. They don't know what's not working. Something is working but they don't know what is working. They're, they're just falling apart because they have no clue what's going on. 

Nate Drolet  25:21

Yeah and you know, I think a big thing that comes with that, too, is they haven't taken the time to prioritize. 

Kris Hampton  25:27

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  25:28

So let's say...because god we see this all the time of, you know, they're like, "Hey, I'm going to do six hours of mobility a week, I'm going to do you know, I'm going to do an intermittent fasting ketogenic diet. I'm also going to do..." I don't know if that's a thing, but...hahah

Kris Hampton  25:42

Hahah is Taco Bell included in that diet?

Nate Drolet  25:46

I'm pretty sure....

Kris Hampton  25:48

If it's not, it's not worth it.

Nate Drolet  25:54

 But yeah, they want to have all these different things....I'm completely lost now.......oh, they want to have all these different things. So they're like, "I need to do mobility, I need to do strength training, I need to do fingerboarding, I need to climb. I need to do my aero cap and an cap,".... all these different things

Kris Hampton  26:11

Right. 

Nate Drolet  26:12

And then you throw one wrench into their plan. It's like, "Hey, you've got a week, like a wedding or a funeral or something you need to go to this weekend." They're like, "Wait, what do I cut out?"

Kris Hampton  26:22

 Right

Nate Drolet  26:22

Because they don't know, like, what's most important anymore. Like to them, they just have this slew of 70 things that they have to do.

Kris Hampton  26:30

Yep. They can't miss their anti glycolytic an cap repeater session

Nate Drolet  26:35

Yes, yeah. With an oxygen deprivation mask on,

Kris Hampton  26:39

Of course. And a weight vest

Nate Drolet  26:40

 And a weight vest. But so the problem is, they don't have priorities. And so when they have to miss something, they don't really know what they need to be missing. And then often, like, they, it's really easy to spiral out from there. You're like, "Well, you know, I'm off the wagon now. Like, you know, how do I even get back on?"  or like, "Should I?" versus like, if you're just like, "Oh, like, I have a week that I need to travel for work, like, I'm just gonna make sure I get some movement in because I just need to make sure I keep climbing and I'll do a little bit of strength work, like two days a week. That'll be great. And then I can go back to my other things."

Kris Hampton  27:19

Yeah and those complicated training plans also take a lot of freaking time.

Nate Drolet  27:23

 Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  27:24

And it's really easy to overestimate the time you'll have to spend on a training plan when you're sitting at your desk writing your training plan, or stuck in rush hour traffic on the way to work listening to this podcast. It's really, really easy to overestimate that. In reality, you probably have half of what you think you do over an entire season. And you're probably only going to stick to half to three quarters that if you're really on top of things. 

Nate Drolet  27:55

Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  27:56

So adding in all those little bitty things just doesn't make sense. And oftentimes, those little things all are trying to accomplish the same one thing that you could do with one exercise and you don't need all 10 of those banded, whatever you're doings.

Nate Drolet  28:17

You know, and I I'm not a huge fan of oversimplification, because I think, like, I'm not a bit I really don't like when it's like, "Okay, if you could only do one thing, you know, what would you do?"

Kris Hampton  28:30

 But I don't have to just do one thing 

Nate Drolet  28:32

Exactly. Like I was joking around with our friend Julie the other day. She was like, "Nate, if you could only do one core exercise, like best core exercise for climbers, what would it be?" And I had just read an article, basically making fun of like this question of "If you could only do one thing". And so like retorted back, I was like, "100 pound Turkish getup, because if I could do a 100 pound Turkish getup, my core is pretty much on point." But the thing is, you never have to do just one of anything. So over simplification, I think is a little bit going overboard. But yeah, you need to trim things down. Like what is like, how do you get the most bang for your buck? You know, because there are it's really easy....we'll see people be like, "Oh, I need to do all this prehab for my shoulder", and they will do 20 different exercises.

Kris Hampton  29:22

Right

Nate Drolet  29:22

All with the lightest bands and the pinkest of kettlebells. 

Kris Hampton  29:25

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  29:26

And you know, these one pound dumbbells and it's just like,

Kris Hampton  29:29

They are cute kettlebells.

Nate Drolet  29:30

They're adorable. But yeah, so they're doing like these 30 exercises,

Kris Hampton  29:35

And then the shoulders are too tired to climb effectively. 

Nate Drolet  29:38

Yeah, well, you know, the funny thing too, and something that I will say it cracks me up because other people's expenses and that would be terrible, but the people who do you know the 1000 prehab shoulder exercises, you ever notice they never get stronger shoulders?

Kris Hampton  29:55

And they're the ones always injured. 

Nate Drolet  29:56

Yeah, they're like, "Oh, yeah, I don't I don't I don't grab gastons" are If it's like, it's, if it's a woman, she's just like, "Yeah, I don't you know, I don't put my hair in a ponytail. Like I just do it a side ponytail. You know, it's not because I, my shoulders are so hurt that I can reach back behind my head. It's just that I'm rocking the 80s. I like the side ponytail. What's wrong with that?"

Kris Hampton  30:14

I do kind of like the side ponytail.

Nate Drolet  30:18

But so they'll have like, it's really easy to go overboard and be like, "Oh, well, you know, I saw these all these shoulder mobilizations and these activation exercises, and all these" and, you know, with a lot of climbers, like they have a strength deficit more than anything. 

Kris Hampton  30:36

Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  30:37

Sometimes you just need to get stronger, which doesn't need to take much time. Like you can scrap a lot of times scrap these 15 to 20 exercises, you know, add maybe like, two to three exercises and just lift heavier weights and get stronger, and then you're probably going to be better off.

Kris Hampton  30:53

Yep. Yeah, totally. I also think that it's, it's enticing for it to look complicated. You know

Nate Drolet  31:02

That means it's working. 

Kris Hampton  31:03

Yeah. I get a lot of clients early on, like in the first month that I'm working with them who were like, "Why don't we add this core session in nd I could do two more of this session and, you know, can we add some of this?" And I'll add the things in, because I know that they're not going to happen

Nate Drolet  31:23

Hahahaha. It's the garnish

Kris Hampton  31:24

And I'll add them. And then two weeks later, I'm like, "Oh, about that core session. Have you done that yet? No, you haven't, because I can see your calendar. So maybe we just take that back out of there, since you're barely getting to your other sessions." You know, so, just battle the enticement of "Complicated is better."

Nate Drolet  31:45

 Yeah

Kris Hampton  31:46

 I don't think it's true. 

Nate Drolet  31:48

I think a good way to go about this is figure out what you need. You say like, "Okay, I need to spend like an hour projecting every day." Or maybe you never do endurance, but you like sport climbing. You know, maybe you need to set aside 20 minutes every session of just doing some easy endurance work, so you have a base. So then when sport climbing season comes around, you're not going from five move wonder to try and climb 100 foot sport climbs.

Kris Hampton  32:14

But what if you're training with blood flow restriction cuffs

Nate Drolet  32:17

On your neck?

Kris Hampton  32:18

Hahaha. You can only fit one and I said "cuffs", plural.

Nate Drolet  32:23

No, you're right. Double down. 

Kris Hampton  32:28

Haha. One on your waist, one on your neck?

Nate Drolet  32:29

 Yes. But yeah. So I mean, as far as the complicated plans, go make priorities. Say like, "Hey, these are, you know, these are the three things I need to get done every week. And just get that done." Like, you know, I like a while ago, I wrote a blog about I think it was called "Too Easy to Fail" And it was about a hangboarding protocol that  I used. 

Kris Hampton  32:54

That was one of your first 

Nate Drolet  32:55

Yeah

Kris Hampton  32:56

It might have been your first.

Nate Drolet  32:57

Oh, second. First one was actually called "Start Here."

Kris Hampton  33:01

Oh, yeah, you're right. I remember making the image for that.

Nate Drolet  33:04

Yes. Those were the days. But with "Too Easy to Fail",  like my entire hangboard workout was just two hangs a day. And that was that was pretty much my goal when I would go in. It's just like, "Okay, I'll warm up. I'll do two hangs like, and then I'm going to try some crimpy boulders because my goal is to get stronger crimps." And it was literally so easy I couldn't not do it. It was like it would be absurd if I was like, "Nah I'm just going to skip my two hangs today." Like, oh, yeah, because I would dress like four minutes in between or like three to four minutes. So it's like, okay, it's three and a half to four and a half minutes total. Most of that is me just standing there like with my hands in front of a fan, like brushing holds also like, I'm pretty much not even doing anything for that amount of time. Like, how can I skip not doing anything? But it worked. 

Kris Hampton  33:58

Yeah

Nate Drolet  33:59

And that was just it. So pick something, make it simple. Make it so simple, you can't fail. And then once you actually managed to not fail, then you can start adding some complexity to it and start doing some more. 

Kris Hampton  34:13

Yep I do... that does bring me to an interesting thought that I have to put out there. I do....this is a love letter to all of my clients who do this because I love you for it. When they're when they know that a session is a little more than they can fit in, or their time has dropped a little bit and they can't quite get it all in, the clients who messaged me and say, "Hey, what are the priorities in this session? This is what's happening with my time. What should I drop out?", thank you for doing that. That's, that's amazing. And just that instead of just saying, "I don't like this part. I'm not gonna do it."

Nate Drolet  34:54

" These drills that make me feel awkward.  Nah, I'm getting rid of those."

Kris Hampton  34:59

Yeah, so thank you clients. Yeah. You want to take a break? 

Nate Drolet  35:04

Yeah. Sounds good. 

Kris Hampton  35:05

All right, break. Right. What's up everybody, Kris here, I'll keep this short and sweet. I just wanted to let you guys know about our new updated Proven Plans that are now available on the website. These are the patterns that we've seen emerge after years and years of training hundreds of climbers, the patterns that at a specific level, help those climbers reach the next level. We've updated those with weekly progressions, all of the most recent ideas and concepts that have been proven to work in training for climbing, as well as new videos for every exercise and every drill that you'll do. This is all laid out for you, week to week delivered in our mobile app. And you can choose to work with a coach. We've just hired a new coach to work specifically with everybody in these Proven Plans. And you can also join a group chat that's filled with other people also doing Proven Plans at the same time as you. Honestly, I don't think there's a better value in training for climbing. You can check these out at PowerCompanyClimbing.com. Click on the Train With Us tab. Alright, back to the show.  And we are back with our Mexican beers here because we just had a taco party last night and lots of beers came over. That was last night, right? 

Nate Drolet  36:28

It was. I was checking to see if it was Taco Tuesday, but it was Taco Monday.

Kris Hampton  36:32

Oh, yeah, you're right. It was. It's Taco Monday, Mexican Monday, 

Nate Drolet  36:36

Mexican Monday.

Kris Hampton  36:37

 Yeah. And it was amazing. But that's not what we're here to talk about. We're here to talk about the top five reasons why people that you your people abandon their training. And our number two reason is that people set the wrong kind of goals in the beginning of their training

Nate Drolet  37:00

Bad goals. 

Kris Hampton  37:01

And there's all sorts of ways you can go wrong. We've talked about it on the podcast, how to set goals, but one of the big ones I see is that their goals aren't specific. Whenever I have a client coming in who says, "I just want to get better. "

Nate Drolet  37:16

I knew that.... I knew exactly what you're gonna say.

Kris Hampton  37:17

I'm like, "Okay, what does that mean?" "Well, I want to move better. I want to climb harder. I want to feel stronger." I'm  like, "Well, is there something that represents that? Is there a route you would love to climb a boulder you would love to climb? Are there even is there just a grade you would love to get to? You know, give me something that's a little more specific than this 'I just want to be better goal'."  I think if you don't set that it's really hard to focus in on what you're doing and have a clear reason as to why you're doing it.

Nate Drolet  37:54

Totally. Yeah, and I  mean, you know, I think some people can feel when they're climbing better. Some people can't. Which

Kris Hampton  38:04

 That's totally true. 

Nate Drolet  38:05

Which kind of blows me away sometimes, because there's times where I'll be climbing next to someone and I'm just like, "Whoa, Jesus, you are just tearing holds off the wall right now." But unless they have some sort of objective truth, that they are climbing harder, then to them they're just like, "I don't know, is it working?" 

Kris Hampton  38:23

Right. "I feel just the same as I always did." And everyone around them's like, "Oh, gosh, he's crushing"

Nate Drolet  38:29

Totally. But then there's another thing too, where, you know, maybe your method of the way you view your climbing of like, "Oh, I feel like light and snappy", like, maybe you are feeling snappier. But you're losing like finger strength, or you're losing like, technique because you're always climbing like by being super like, bouncy. 

Kris Hampton  38:51

Mm hmm. 

Nate Drolet  38:52

So you're kind of like, feeding the thing that you're using to gauge whether or not you're getting better. 

Kris Hampton  38:58

Yep. 

Nate Drolet  38:59

But yeah, bad goals. You know, I think one that hits hits home for me for sure is not setting goals that are connected to you emotionally. So setting goals that you're like, "Okay, on paper, this is a very good logical goal, and it will take me to the next step"

Kris Hampton  39:17

Right

Nate Drolet  39:17

 But it's like, I have no real attachment to like, I need a goal that the kind of thing that like when you're in bed, like about to go to sleep, like you're, like running beta through your head on that route, like things like that, like the kinds of things that. Like, I have a woman I train who she's just now bouldering for the first time ever. And I was she was just like, "You know, I don't understand how to get psyched on bouldering." She's only bouldering in the gym because she wants to keep sport climbing outside and I was like, "You need to figure out how to get like just as psyched on indoor boulders as you can for your outdoor routes."

Kris Hampton  39:51

 Absolutely. 

Nate Drolet  39:52

Because if you can do that you're in a good place. You're going to be trying hard

Kris Hampton  39:55

And then they're going to take it down and you're going to cry about it. 

Nate Drolet  39:58

No she's on the Moon Board. We're fine.

Kris Hampton  40:02

Good. That's a good plan.

Nate Drolet  40:04

She was just like, "No, you don't understand." She's like, "Routes keep me up at night. Like I have trouble sleeping because of the the beta sometimes and like rehearsing them." But that's just it. Like if you have something like that, it's amazing.

Kris Hampton  40:18

 Yeah. 

Nate Drolet  40:18

Like, that's the kind of thing that you can if you have that kind of motivation you can do if you have the why, like, you know, the how is easy.

Kris Hampton  40:27

Yeah, I've been you know, we've we've been talking a lot about goals last few weeks, and, and I'm not gonna let the cat out of the bag just yet, but I started thinking about bouldering goals and what I wanted to do bouldering wise. And since those initial conversations, I've been watching videos in bed, nearly every night. 

Nate Drolet  40:55

Oh, man

Kris Hampton  40:55

Like Annalissa will still be in the bathroom, brushing her teeth, and I'm like googling things on on my phone to try to watch beta videos or just get stoked on different boulders.

Nate Drolet  41:07

Yeah, no, I've noticed you've been watching chat about boulders and certain ones more specifically, lately. It's been getting me psyched just seeing you

Kris Hampton  41:13

I'm jumping over my route goals into bouldering season.

Nate Drolet  41:16

I'm doing the exact same. Don't worry about it. I'm like, Oh, yeah, I'm going to the New and some other stuff. But about bouldering in Arkansas."

Kris Hampton  41:25

Yeah. Well you mentioned something when we were kind of pre gaming this episode that I hadn't really thought about in terms of bad goals. But it can be kind of dangerous to set a really big lofty goal. Particularly if you're someone who gets intimidated by those things. And, and that's easy to do, for anybody. But I've seen it before, and I hadn't really connected it until you said it that someone will set this big, giant goal and they'll start working toward that goal. And then when the season is almost there, they're like, "I'm not quite ready. I don't think I'm there yet." So they bail on that goal. Abandon the rest of their training, and go shoot for some much easier goal that's going to take them a week instead of three seasons. You know, so I think that's pretty common, getting intimidated by the wrong goal that you made.

Nate Drolet  42:29

Yeah, it's tough. Because I mean, that is, you know, if you read any goal setting literature, it'll say, "Set big, audacious, intimidating goals."

Kris Hampton  42:41

 Yes.

Nate Drolet  42:43

 But, you know, you have to like, if that is your only goal is like, this one that's way out there. Like, that's hard.

Kris Hampton  42:50

Yeah, that's a long, ambiguous road to travel without little goals in between.

Nate Drolet  42:55

Yeah. And sometimes, like, more often than not, like, I mean, sometimes just intimidating too because, you know, if I'm six months out from a goal, it's easy for me be like, "Oh, yeah, I'm just gonna put my head down, do the work." And you know, you hit four months you're like, "Yeah, okay, things are going good." And then, you know, you hit two months, and you're like, "Oh, things are getting close. Okay". And then suddenly, when it's around the corner, you're like, "I don't know, am I? Am I ready? Like, I've been like getting ready for it, but I'm not really sure anymore." And suddenly, it's really easy to have these doubts. And if you don't put yourself out there, you may never know. 

Kris Hampton  43:30

Yep. And all of a sudden, you're not training for that anymore. You are training for something else. 

Nate Drolet  43:34

And we see that all the time with people who, maybe they set this big goal, and they let themselves get intimidated by it, when they didn't even need to.

Kris Hampton  43:44

Yep.

Nate Drolet  43:45

But yeah, yeah,

Kris Hampton  43:47

I think goal setting is an art, really, and kind of a kind of a scary art for a lot of us, you know. And again, I'll just say, we've talked about this before on the podcast, and you should go back and listen to that episode. It was around New Year's that we talked about it. We were in Knoxville, I think. And, and it's, you know, it's different for everybody. There's research showing that, that putting your goals out there, it makes you less likely to reach them. There's also research saying that not putting your goals out there makes it less likely that you'll reach them. So what the hell is a person to do? Yeah, you know, so,

Nate Drolet  44:28

You know, and it's tough to because making lists are fun

Kris Hampton  44:33

Super fun.

Nate Drolet  44:34

 Like, it's a ton of fun to be like, "I'm gonna do all these things this year."

Kris Hampton  44:37

I just made checklists for the Dru Mack podcast today. 

Nate Drolet  44:40

Nice. 

Kris Hampton  44:41

Downloadable PDF checklists for people. 

Nate Drolet  44:43

Boom.

Kris Hampton  44:44

There's Dru's picture on them. 

Nate Drolet  44:45

Yeah, it's gonna be perfect. Please tell me you have different photos of him while he was climbing the different grade ranges

Kris Hampton  44:51

Haha. I wish I did. 

Nate Drolet  44:52

That'd be amazing. This is the 5.12 Dru list. Yeah, like making lists are a ton of fun and it's fun like dreaming big, audacious dreams. But it's, you know, sometimes you need to just take it one step at a time. And so setting these bad goals, you know, bad is like, kind of a loaded term. But yeah, setting these goals that aren't appropriate for you at the moment, they can sabotage you.

Kris Hampton  45:21

Yep. Yeah. And I like that you just brought up kind of writing them down and having a checklist. Because I mean, you've, you've seen this going on here, in the last few weeks. Annalissa had a big goal that she wanted to reach, and I'm like, "Whoa, whoa, let's, let's slow down and look at things. Let's write out what we have done, you know, in this past season or so, past couple of seasons." And I wrote it out in pyramid form and, and showed her like, "If we fill these in, it would be a lot easier to reach this grade that you're afraid of. And then we'll get through that grade and then we can be on to your big goal. But we have to get through this area where you're a little scared first." And she and I were talking about it and then another of our friends saw it and was like, "I want a pyramid." And she's all about the pyramid and Annalissa, every day we come back from climbing, she's like, "Where's my pyramid? I need to fill it in." I'm like, "Well, this is cool." You know, having all these goals that are appropriate and lead up to this bigger goal makes it so that she's not abandoning that whole plan and she's sticking with it. So it's cool to have it on paper. That brings us to our number one reason why people abandon their training. And when we, when this one came up, this was actually Annalissa sitting in the room and saying, "Well, here's the reason." And both of us were like, "That's too simple. That can't be", but we decided that it really is probably the top reason people abandon their training. 

Nate Drolet  47:07

Yeah. 

Kris Hampton  47:07

And that's that it's just not that fun. And a lot of you listening will be like, "You people are crazy. Training is so much fun." And I agree with you. But there are parts of it that aren't that fun.

Nate Drolet  47:21

If you are doing it correctly

Kris Hampton  47:22

 If you abandon those, then you're abandoning it.

Nate Drolet  47:24

Yeah. Like, I honestly believe if.... there are some forms of training, if you're doing them correctly, they suck. They're awful.

Kris Hampton  47:32

 Oh, yeah. 

Nate Drolet  47:33

Like, repeaters on a hangboard. If you're like, "Oh, yeah, I'm just gonna go do some repeaters. And it'll be great." It's like, "No, you're, you're doing them wrong." Yeah, like I mean, this it's a classic thing with like, the Rock Prodigy program. If you can stick with it, that is wonderful and you are better than I am.

Kris Hampton  47:52

 You are dedicated. 

Nate Drolet  47:53

Yeah, it like because that's just it. It's like the amount of work it takes like to do that many sets of repeaters and repeaters fucking suck, man. Like, if you're doing them correctly, and you are loading them heavy and you're trying hard, which you need to be if you want to get better, it's like, it's hard work. Like I...my hat's off to anyone who like can consistently go through those protocols. Because they are heinous.

Kris Hampton  48:16

Yep, totally. I feel like BJ just stuck around in the gym yesterday, just to watch me suffer on that last set of campus punks. 

Nate Drolet  48:24

That's true

Kris Hampton  48:25

Because he knew I was hating it and then it sucked. So he just stood there watching. And I know that's why.

Nate Drolet  48:33

But yeah, I mean, there, there are parts of training and parts of preparation that aren't fun. Like, this isn't... I don't know, this isn't going to a theme park. Like, you know, no other sport, ever, that I can think of at least, is all the training and all the preparation that you do just a ton of fun. Otherwise, everyone would be Olympians. 

Kris Hampton  48:55

Right. 

Nate Drolet  48:55

Like there's a reason the elite are elite. It's because they're doing like they're doing the work that most people don't want to do.

Kris Hampton  49:02

Yeah, yeah. And if you're, you know, if you're specifically targeting weaknesses, that makes people feel bad, feel they feel bad about their climbing.

Nate Drolet  49:13

It hurts my feelings

Kris Hampton  49:14

Their egos get crushed. You know, if you climb V8 crimps and V4 slopers, which I feel like is a fairly common problem, and you're being forced into climbing slopers for half your night, your ego gets crushed. You know, and people pretty quickly abandon ship and go right to all the crimpy problems that they can. Yeah, you know, "Let me back on the Moon Board, please. Because that's what I'm good at." And, you know, I.... you should be spending some time working on your strengths, but working your weaknesses sucks, and it's going to make you better.

Nate Drolet  49:56

Yeah, no, totally. And, you know, I think one of the biggest things and this may have been Dave McLeod. I mean, he said a lot of good things, so I'll go ahead and give it to him either way. But he, I believe at one point, he talked about how great climbers are the people who learn to love the struggle. When they find like, "Oh, I'm terrible at this, like, I need to put all my time into this, because this is what's gonna make me better", or like, they just get to the point to where they love struggling, and they can like get into that zone, those are the people that are going to improve, like the fastest.

Kris Hampton  50:32

Yep, totally. Yeah. And, you know, I used to think of that as some sort of abstract, almost artistic way to look at it. But after my conversation with Trevor Regan, and him talking about how scientists approach their experiments, good scientists approach their experiments. When they see those problems, when they're like, "Oh, this didn't work. And I thought it was going to" or "This was really difficult. And I thought it was going to be easy.", they approach that, like, "Here's a great learning opportunity for me. Like, this is something I didn't expect. Now I get to gain new knowledge, new skills, whatever, by going down this path", you know, and I think that's a really great way to approach things. 

Nate Drolet  51:22

Totally. 

Kris Hampton  51:24

There's also the, the, the, the fun part of going in and training, I really love going into the gym and just climbing with a bunch of people and having fun and trying the problems everyone else is trying and, and that's great. Like, climbing gyms are super fun because of that. But when it's training time, I will buckle down, stop talking to people, you know, I'll my sentences become shorter, I smile less

Nate Drolet  51:57

A lot of "Nos" in there

Kris Hampton  51:58

I just don't deal with people. And I'm not saying you have to do that. Maybe you're better at balancing it than I am. But But hanging out with your friends, talking to your friends, doing what your friends are doing is fun. And it's also probably tanking your training, and is going to cause you to abandon it two weeks from now, if you're concerned about what they're doing.

Nate Drolet  52:22

Yeah. You know, in, if you are like, "Hey, climbing is my social time. Like, this is what I do outside of work or other things. And this is when I get to hang out with people", get them to train with you.

Kris Hampton  52:35

Totally.

Nate Drolet  52:35

Like, I mean, this is something that like I tell people all the time that I'm working with, like, you know, if you're partners, if you're always trying to deal with balancing what your partners want to do versus what you want to do, try and get them to train with you. Like a lot of times people will....it's much more fun to do it with someone else. It's easier to convince someone else to do it with you and then you're on the same plan. It's perfect. Yeah, like and then it is a lot of like, it's a lot more fun when you get to do things with other people.

Kris Hampton  53:01

Yeah, totally.

Nate Drolet  53:04

But yeah, and you know, things not being fun, like, or as far as working your weaknesses can show in a lot of ways. It doesn't have to be just, "You're bad at slopers" rr, you know, "You're bad at big moves". Like, honestly, for sport climbers, something I see all the time is they don't see trying a hard project, like something that will take them four and five days, they don't see that as beneficial. They'll be like, 

Kris Hampton  53:28

A hard boulder project

Nate Drolet  53:29

A hard boulder project. They will be like, "I just spent 20 minutes trying a move. Like, I feel like I didn't even climb today."

Kris Hampton  53:37

 Right

Nate Drolet  53:37

It's like, well, you probably learned more from that than from going and doing just a bunch of easy repeat pitches like for volume. Like, you gain more out of this, if you allow it to teach you more. But you know, it can be tough like, because for a lot of people that's just isn't fun. That's not why they got into rock climbing. So you know, you need to learn how to strike a balance between what's going to work and what do you actually enjoying. Like, what are you going to be able to do consistently? Because I mean, I can write up, you know, a plan that's going to be amazing and it's going to be wonderful. It's going to work great and it's going to be the best case scenario. The problem is, most times most people won't end up doing that because just it's heinous.

Kris Hampton  54:21

Yep. Yeah, I mean, I think it all comes down to do you enjoy....do you have fun, improving? It do, personally. I like getting better. And I've done this enough that I know that the struggle is part of that. And that finding things I'm bad at is part of that. So for me those things that may not be fun, ended up being really fun. And I think you'll you'll run into that if you do this long enough.

Nate Drolet  54:55

 Yeah, it I mean, it definitely takes time. 

Kris Hampton  54:58

Yeah, it can be really frustrate at first. Frustrating. So you want to you want to go back over those? 

Nate Drolet  55:06

Yeah

Kris Hampton  55:06

Our top five reasons why people abandon their training.

Nate Drolet  55:10

So top five reasons for why people abandon their training. Number five: new training things, new training ideas, plans. things from social media

Kris Hampton  55:22

Bright and shiny new methods. 

Nate Drolet  55:23

Yeah, shiny new toy. Number four, passing judgment on it too early, or having had high expectations. Number three, it's too complicated. 

Kris Hampton  55:35

Gotta do all the things.

Nate Drolet  55:37

 Number two, having bad goals. And finally, number one, it's not fun.

Kris Hampton  55:44

It's not that fun, man. It's just not that fun. Yeah, getting better sucks.

Nate Drolet  55:49

 It's the worst.

Kris Hampton  55:51

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